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    Ok let’s not make it seem like the team has huge internal problems. One player was upset with playing time so he transferred let’s not overreact.

    A team with internal issues wouldn’t return Knies, Faber, LaCombe and Johnson who all had NHL contracts waved in their faces.

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    So I’m supposed to be worried about the Gophers because of a story about Michigan players being at odds with their coach which is not the supposed problem at Minnesota?  The supposed malfunctions at these programs are not the same thing.

    We know that the 1980 Olympic was pretty dysfunctional until the MN and MA guys figured out how to play for each other, and pretty much the entire time they were at odds with their coach.  Yet they don’t win that medal if the guys in the locker room didn’t have enough respect and camaraderie to want to play for each other.  Similarly I could see how a team like UMi could make it to the FF while having issues with their coach, while I don’t agree the Gophers could do the same if their locker room was a complete hot mess.

    That doesn’t mean everything was perfect mind you.

     

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    Any idea on when we could see an updated roster?

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    Still need a forward, but time is running out

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    Yeah that has to be at the top of his list, right? Even if the player is just a depth guy it’s still nice to have at least 15 forwards and five full lines.

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    All we have to go on (besides GoldyShuffle making up for the lack of Eeyore being around) is a quote from a GM that is likely covering for his player. (which he should do)  This reminds when Lucia haters went nuts because of comments when Okposo left.  You have to take all of this with a grain of salt whether it is high praise or ripping to shreds.  I also doubt Broz was done as soon as he was healthy scratched I think the author of the story is doing some selective quoting. (nice way of saying “clickbaiting” )

    I don’t doubt that there was probably some tensions between the classes, but usually if things are as bad as some seem to think they are the team implodes after the break.  It is rather rare they would turn it all around and make a nice run at the end even when they are talented.  While it is easy to say “losing young players is a a bad sign” it is also just as likely that the upperclassmen/leadership that “clashed” with Broz and perhaps Lucius were right.  The leadership that was supposedly a problem, lead a team that was underachieving to win the conference and make the Frozen Four.  Maybe that leadership understood the chemistry of the team they had better than some younger guys still getting their feet under them in the game.  That is hardly something new (we have heard about it with almost every team since I started watching) but before players usually stuck it out to avoid sitting for a year…which also then corrected itself as they, you know, saw that things change year to year based on personnel.  Now they can leave right away (which I support) so they don’t have to wait they can find a spot they feel a better fit in right away.

    What I don’t understand about our fanbase anymore is this incessant need to find some sort of canary in the coalmine that things are falling apart.  I get that we were always jumping to conclusions, but that was almost always in the moment and after a day or two when cooler heads prevailed most saw the forest from the trees.  Now everything is a harbinger of the total destruction of the squad.  It is like everyone took their rose colored glasses, let them wilt and die and now wear them so they can see how awful everything is and can brace themselves for the inevitable fall.  What joy can you all take in the game if everything positive is false and everything negative is a flashing arrow of ineptitude?

    Okposo left mid-season after the Islanders GM (Snow) ripped the Gophers program.  The Gophers were about 0.500 that season and people panicked.  Gopher fans had rarely seen such an implosion.

    This is different in that the Gophers are set up to have a great year and we lost several big player/recruits, not to the NHL, but to other schools.  That’s very weird.  It seems that most left, in part due to how they were treated.  Don’t go around calling people Eyeore because they don’t want to dismiss comments published in a newspaper that point to possible issues within the program.  It’s not exactly unheard of, within this program (and certainly at this school), to have issues that need to be cleared out.

     

    I think you need to re-read my post and remember that Eeyore is a nickname we all gave a specific poster who is on a timeout.  I wasn’t calling you Eeyore.

    And you completely missed the point of what I was saying about Okposo.  When he left his GM sort of took a shot at Lucia to cover for the fact that Okposo looked awful leaving halfway through the season.  The Lucia backers threw a fit and the Lucia haters threw a party and the truth was the GM was just smoke-screening.  To me it sounds like Burke is doing the same thing.  I am not comparing the teams or their records, that is immaterial.

    And prior to a couple years ago players wouldn’t leave teams for other teams because there was a penalty to do so.  I would bet my house that if that was an option all along we would have seen every team (especially talented ones) have these issues.  I can tell you some of our most talented teams would have likely lost at least a few players if they had to sit or didnt get enough pp/pk time.  It is happening in every sport to teams at all levels what makes you think the reasoning here is any different than it is at a helmet football school or big name basketball school?  Players don’t have to sit and wait anymore, if they aren’t happy or if they feel they can do better some place else they walk away.  That in and of itself doesn’t mean there was some problem…

    Look, you can feel how you want its no skin off my nose man.  I just think you and a few others are looking for reasons things are bad when the obvious answer is sitting right in front of your face.  And truth be told, if there was a leadership issue when it came to the young guys, I will stand with the players responsible for the team being one of the best in the country after the New Year…not the players who walked away.  I wish them no ill will, but if they were as good as the hype they would have played more.  Hell Lucius didn’t play at all the last few months and the team was just fine without him.

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    HandyNotDan wrote…
    Bertogliat wrote…
    HandyNotDan wrote…

    All we have to go on (besides GoldyShuffle making up for the lack of Eeyore being around) is a quote from a GM that is likely covering for his player. (which he should do)  This reminds when Lucia haters went nuts because of comments when Okposo left.  You have to take all of this with a grain of salt whether it is high praise or ripping to shreds.  I also doubt Broz was done as soon as he was healthy scratched I think the author of the story is doing some selective quoting. (nice way of saying “clickbaiting” )

    I don’t doubt that there was probably some tensions between the classes, but usually if things are as bad as some seem to think they are the team implodes after the break.  It is rather rare they would turn it all around and make a nice run at the end even when they are talented.  While it is easy to say “losing young players is a a bad sign” it is also just as likely that the upperclassmen/leadership that “clashed” with Broz and perhaps Lucius were right.  The leadership that was supposedly a problem, lead a team that was underachieving to win the conference and make the Frozen Four.  Maybe that leadership understood the chemistry of the team they had better than some younger guys still getting their feet under them in the game.  That is hardly something new (we have heard about it with almost every team since I started watching) but before players usually stuck it out to avoid sitting for a year…which also then corrected itself as they, you know, saw that things change year to year based on personnel.  Now they can leave right away (which I support) so they don’t have to wait they can find a spot they feel a better fit in right away.

    What I don’t understand about our fanbase anymore is this incessant need to find some sort of canary in the coalmine that things are falling apart.  I get that we were always jumping to conclusions, but that was almost always in the moment and after a day or two when cooler heads prevailed most saw the forest from the trees.  Now everything is a harbinger of the total destruction of the squad.  It is like everyone took their rose colored glasses, let them wilt and die and now wear them so they can see how awful everything is and can brace themselves for the inevitable fall.  What joy can you all take in the game if everything positive is false and everything negative is a flashing arrow of ineptitude?

    Okposo left mid-season after the Islanders GM (Snow) ripped the Gophers program.  The Gophers were about 0.500 that season and people panicked.  Gopher fans had rarely seen such an implosion.

    This is different in that the Gophers are set up to have a great year and we lost several big player/recruits, not to the NHL, but to other schools.  That’s very weird.  It seems that most left, in part due to how they were treated.  Don’t go around calling people Eyeore because they don’t want to dismiss comments published in a newspaper that point to possible issues within the program.  It’s not exactly unheard of, within this program (and certainly at this school), to have issues that need to be cleared out.

     

    I think you need to re-read my post and remember that Eeyore is a nickname we all gave a specific poster who is on a timeout.  I wasn’t calling you Eeyore.

    And you completely missed the point of what I was saying about Okposo.  When he left his GM sort of took a shot at Lucia to cover for the fact that Okposo looked awful leaving halfway through the season.  The Lucia backers threw a fit and the Lucia haters threw a party and the truth was the GM was just smoke-screening.  To me it sounds like Burke is doing the same thing.  I am not comparing the teams or their records, that is immaterial.

    And prior to a couple years ago players wouldn’t leave teams for other teams because there was a penalty to do so.  I would bet my house that if that was an option all along we would have seen every team (especially talented ones) have these issues.  I can tell you some of our most talented teams would have likely lost at least a few players if they had to sit or didnt get enough pp/pk time.  It is happening in every sport to teams at all levels what makes you think the reasoning here is any different than it is at a helmet football school or big name basketball school?  Players don’t have to sit and wait anymore, if they aren’t happy or if they feel they can do better some place else they walk away.  That in and of itself doesn’t mean there was some problem…

    Look, you can feel how you want its no skin off my nose man.  I just think you and a few others are looking for reasons things are bad when the obvious answer is sitting right in front of your face.  And truth be told, if there was a leadership issue when it came to the young guys, I will stand with the players responsible for the team being one of the best in the country after the New Year…not the players who walked away.  I wish them no ill will, but if they were as good as the hype they would have played more.  Hell Lucius didn’t play at all the last few months and the team was just fine without him.

    Well said

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    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, as someone from the southern end of the state it’s really cool to see more players from that area playing division 1 hockey. Between Nelson, Lamb and the goalie we signed who’s from Owatonna, that’s three guys on the roster this year from the 507 area code. Just goes to show how much the game is continuing to grow in a our state that’s already known for it’s great youth and high school programs. Long may it continue!

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    Rau4SkiUMah wrote…

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, as someone from the southern end of the state it’s really cool to see more players from that area playing division 1 hockey. Between Nelson, Lamb and the goalie we signed who’s from Owatonna, that’s three guys on the roster this year from the 507 area code. Just goes to show how much the game is continuing to grow in a our state that’s already known for it’s great youth and high school programs. Long may it continue!

    Living in the 507, it is great to see how hockey is catching on, especially in SW MN. Carsen Musser is possibly next on that list, but he may go to the OHL. Another 507 guy, Hobie Hedquist is committed to the Whioux. His brother is a 16 year old defenseman and someone to keep an eye on as well.

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