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Kelly Red wrote:

Beauner wrote:

Kelly Red wrote:

Beauner wrote:

Bigbeer wrote:

The Rube wrote:

The original was fine. The bloated masturbatory Snyder cut was not fine.

Describing it with that terminology does not discourage me from watching it

Rube is basically the only person I’ve seen not raving about it, FWIW

Hmm, no he’s not. “Bloated mess” is a pretty common description from anyone over the age of 16 who doesn’t live in their moms basement.

There’s a reason why the job position of Editor holds power in a film, it’s necessary and keeps a directors whim in check. In this case you had a director doing his own editing and a 4 HOUR slog was the result. That does not make a good movie, that makes a self-indulgent piece of crap.

I did say “the only person I’ve seen”. I hadn’t sought out movie reviewer opinions on it because they rarely have good things to say about superhero movies.

And for the record, none of the people I’ve seen raving about are under the age of 21 and most own their own house and their own kids. (At least of the ones I know personally, I’m assuming about the twitter accounts).

Was it longer than it needed to be? Probably. But he also made this with the expectation that his original plan for a trilogy was never going to come to fruition (though given the audience score is 95% on RottenTomatoes and had a count of 3005 positive to 184 negative reviews on Metacritic, I wouldn’t be totally shocked if DCU lets him do them after all).

He also made this movie before we had any real introduction to Momoa as Aquaman and Ezra as Barry. So he included parts of the film to give more vision to what HE had in mind rather than what we ended up with after the original Justice League. He also showed a ton more of Cyborg’s origin, which was IMO extremely important given his undeniable importance to the overall story – the original was basically “hey here’s a guy who is part computer and can do computery stuff” with no real background.

IMO, Batman was significantly better in the Snyder Cut than the original, Cyborg was infinitely better, the Flash was better. Wonder Woman and Superman were more or less the same. Steppenwolf was far more formidable. Plus there was an actual REASON for him to be on Earth, which the original did not have.

If you’re worried about the length of time, watch it in increments. That’s why they made 6 segments. 🤷‍♂️

Fair enough. My own opinion is based on the original intention of this film. Until he had to leave this WAS to be a theater release. Even IF he had stayed with the project it was never going to be a 6 segment experience or even his dream of a trilogy. So this “cut” is unrealistic business-wise. He walked away with hours of rough film and this Snyder Cut is just an example of a director who thinks everything he touches is gold. It’s not. Film stories need to be told in a concise and clear manner. Not being able to edit your work shows ego and questionable judgement. What I DO like is the totally different “look” he intended, color and light made a much different feel and I liked that part. What I didn’t like was the stretchiiiiiiiiiiiing out of the story. Maybe the real issue is if superhero stories can still be effectively told on the big screen? Or, if the audience has become more sophisticated, which I think it has, a multi-episode format is now almost a requirement.

Unless you know something I don’t, the Justice League was intended to be a series a la MCU’s Avengers. DCU was originally planning to have individual hero movies (Superman, Batman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, IIRC there is a Flash movie coming next year) and then the team-ups with various Justice League characters like this one. Even the theatrical release teased the sequel before it got terrible reviews and they scrapped it.

The thing that the MCU has done so well in comparison is character development. Each character in the original Avengers movie had layers of backstory that was easy to see if you watched the rest. Really the only one that didn’t have in-depth backstop was Hawkeye, but he also got more backstory than Flash or Cyborg in the original Justice League release.